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| Lloyd Webber with a young musician from In Harmony, Liverpool |
I caught up with the conservatoire’s head,
Julian Lloyd Webber, who assumed the post in 2015 after having to bring his cello career to a close, to ask him about the challenges facing an institution on
the brink of what should be a historic breakthrough, yet at a time of enormous
national uncertainty. But the main challenge is not Brexit, says Lloyd Webber: instead, it is a national education system that fails the creative side of life...
JD: Julian, how’s the progress on the new
building?
JLW:
It’s manic at the moment. From the outside it almost looks complete now. There’s
still a lot of work to do inside, but we’re promised it’s all on schedule.
We’re a little bit nervous because we know we’re going to have a great,
great building and we have to go in there and make sure everything is working
properly. It’s an incredibly exciting time to be here.
JD: The, er, Walk of the Valkyries preview on Youtube is most impressive. The new facilities look state-of-the-art.
JLW: It really is. The whole place is built
around a “digital core”. In practice what it means is that any room in the
conservatoire can be linked with any other room. So if you’re giving a class it
can be relayed to someone in a practice room five floors up. Everything is
interconnected.
A lot of it is about being able to do live
classes outside, to relay and receive streaming live. Already we have a Soweto
project Arco, run by our head of strings, Louise Lansdowne, who comes from
South Africa and has created this programme, which is just growing and growing.
We had Sheku Kanneh-Mason come in to do a recital which was shown live to our students in Soweto, so already we’re starting – but in the
new building you’ll be able to do that anywhere and at any time.
JD: It’s great that Mirga Gražinytė-Tyla is
going to conduct the conservatoire orchestra's royal gala. Does this represent a
strengthening link between the institution and the CBSO?
JLW: The conservatoire opens to students on
25 September and we’ll be doing quite regular concerts from soon after
that, with quite a lot of
broadcasts. We open officially with our royal patron, Prince Edward, at a gala
concert in the main hall with our orchestra and Mirga has agreed to conduct it.
It’s good for the city and I think it’ll be wonderful for the students. And it shows
her interest in music education – she’s pretty keen on working with the
conservatoire.
We already have a very strong link with the CBSO – possibly a closer link than any other conservatoire with any symphony orchestra. A lot of their principal players teach in the conservatoire; we have an arrangement where sometimes our students can play along with the CBSO in rehearsal; and also we have showcases where our students play at Symphony Hall just before their concerts, twice a year with the orchestra and twice a year with our pianists. Many of our students are in the CBSO Youth Orchestra. I think the links are closer than anywhere else. It’s a great opportunity for the students to be playing alongside people of that level.
We already have a very strong link with the CBSO – possibly a closer link than any other conservatoire with any symphony orchestra. A lot of their principal players teach in the conservatoire; we have an arrangement where sometimes our students can play along with the CBSO in rehearsal; and also we have showcases where our students play at Symphony Hall just before their concerts, twice a year with the orchestra and twice a year with our pianists. Many of our students are in the CBSO Youth Orchestra. I think the links are closer than anywhere else. It’s a great opportunity for the students to be playing alongside people of that level.
JLW: When I first came in I was expecting
to have to make changes, but I’ve been really impressed with the heads of department.
The piano standard is extremely high – for instance, one student has just been
accepted for the Van Cliburn Competition, which is difficult to get into.
Some of them are so good, really good, but what this brings me to,
which I think is a USP for the conservatoire, is this: they are friendly, they
collaborate and they try to help each other. I think that’s an atmosphere we
have which is very special. Colleges can be very competitive. We’re competitive, but some institutions encourage that competitiveness and sometimes almost
encourage students to compete against each other. We don’t. We try to encourage
them to help each other, which is quite a different ethos.
We have had a pretty hard time at the end
of the old building’s life – it felt unloved and
uncared for in the middle of a building site. It hasn’t been easy. We lost our
main concert hall, so this season we’ve been going out into the city to play, which in many ways has been a good thing and a real learning
curve for students. Because we haven’t had a hall to give orchestral concerts
in, we’ve been going to lots of different venues around Birmingham, including the Town Hall and Symphony
Hall. I think there really is a spirit here of pulling together and getting
down to the job of making music as best we all can, and I want to carry that
spirit into the new place. It’s a completely different kind of building – bigger, more open, state of the art – but I want to keep that
community spirit.
JD: One hears that you’re an extremely
hands-on principal, always there and interested in everything…
JLW: For me it’s a natural extension to
what I’ve always done. I didn’t particularly want to go into conducting when I
had to stop playing the cello. I’ve always been involved in music education
with Sistema, In Harmony, etc. My father taught at the Royal College
of Music for many years and became director of the London College of Music, so that side of it feels very much in the blood.
I can’t get to as many concerts as I’d like because there’s so much going on here! We have a great jazz department – we offer degree courses in jazz, which is quite unusual – and the standard is very, very high, with people coming from all over the world for them. We had a whole string of concerts at the end of last term and a concert at BirminghamTown Hall where they launched the conservatoire's Ellington Orchestra. I had so much on that I nearly didn’t go, but I was extremely glad that I did because they were so superb. It was really one of the best things I’ve heard.
I try to be hands-on and I try to care for the students, because the music profession is tough, it costs a lot of money now for students to go to conservatoire and I feel a hundred per cent on their side. I want to help them as much as I can.
I can’t get to as many concerts as I’d like because there’s so much going on here! We have a great jazz department – we offer degree courses in jazz, which is quite unusual – and the standard is very, very high, with people coming from all over the world for them. We had a whole string of concerts at the end of last term and a concert at BirminghamTown Hall where they launched the conservatoire's Ellington Orchestra. I had so much on that I nearly didn’t go, but I was extremely glad that I did because they were so superb. It was really one of the best things I’ve heard.
I try to be hands-on and I try to care for the students, because the music profession is tough, it costs a lot of money now for students to go to conservatoire and I feel a hundred per cent on their side. I want to help them as much as I can.
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| Julian Lloyd Webber in Birmingham |
JD: So all these wonderful possibilities
are opening up, there’s this fantastic new building…and then along comes Brexit.
What do you think the main challenges are going to be, specifically for the
conservatoire but also for music education in this country generally?
JLW: You said Brexit?
JD: Yep…
JLW: There was a sudden bleep on the line.
JD: Maybe someone’s censoring us!
JLW: Well, Brexit…It’s kind of impossible
to know what exactly is going to happen. I’ve tried not to be pessimistic and
decide the whole world has ended. The Erasmus exchange programmes we’ve had
have been brilliant and I would hope and pray that they continue. But we have a
huge number of students from China and we’re developing the relationships with
Japan and Korea – we have a lot of far-eastern students. To be honest, I’m more
concerned about the state of the UK’s music education system than about Brexit.
That’s because we can only reflect, in conservatoires all over the country, the students that are coming through. Of all those countries in the Far East, I can’t name one in which music education isn’t absolutely the norm. Children learning music is a normal thing; in families that’s what children do. That’s increasingly reflected in the standard of what they’re producing. But here, with the EBacc and taking arts subjects out of the curriculum, we will pay the price for that. I think we already are.
That’s because we can only reflect, in conservatoires all over the country, the students that are coming through. Of all those countries in the Far East, I can’t name one in which music education isn’t absolutely the norm. Children learning music is a normal thing; in families that’s what children do. That’s increasingly reflected in the standard of what they’re producing. But here, with the EBacc and taking arts subjects out of the curriculum, we will pay the price for that. I think we already are.
That concerns me more than anything else at
all, because it’s so hard to bring these things back. There’s a knock-on effect
through the whole profession, with peripatetic teachers deciding not to do that
for a job because there’s no work. That is the thing that really, really
concerns me. We’ve been around a while, this country; we can deal with Brexit
and I cannot believe that we will not be working with students and people in
Europe, so I haven’t been as pessimistic as everyone else. That doesn’t mean I
think it’s a great idea, and the whole situation with visas could be a
nightmare. But I think we will survive it and I think ways will continue for us
to do a lot of business in Europe.
JD: How much can the Conservatoire do to
encourage music education at grassroots level?
JLW: We’re trying to do that. Richard
Shrewsbury came in at the same time as me, July 2015, as learning and participation manager, which we didn’t have before. He’s full of ideas and now
we’re working with over 3,000 school students. These things cost money, of course, and we
don’t have as much as we would like, but he’s doing an absolutely brilliant
job.
Now we’re trying to work with the music hubs, we’re going into schools and we’ve just had a competition for Shakespeare Week among schools all over the region, composing a piece based on Shakespeare works. We need to do this, we need to be filling the gap the government has created – and I think that applies to all conservatoires. I think we have a duty to do it. By definition it’s only a drop in the water, though it still is a drop. But I think the core responsibility for music education has to lie in the national curriculum. Why should the whole state school sector be deprived of music?
Now we’re trying to work with the music hubs, we’re going into schools and we’ve just had a competition for Shakespeare Week among schools all over the region, composing a piece based on Shakespeare works. We need to do this, we need to be filling the gap the government has created – and I think that applies to all conservatoires. I think we have a duty to do it. By definition it’s only a drop in the water, though it still is a drop. But I think the core responsibility for music education has to lie in the national curriculum. Why should the whole state school sector be deprived of music?
JD: Last but by no means least, what’s your long-term plan for the
Birmingham Conservatoire?
JLW: We’re going to have the best building
and the best facilities and we already have a stream of great visiting artists,
so it’s not a question of making huge changes; it’s adding to what’s already
there. We’re making judicious appointments – for instance, we’ve brought in
James Galway as international chair of flute, we’ve got Catrin Finch as
international chair of harp, we’ve got people coming in now who are the top and
I want to continue that. I said the first time I came in to all the visiting
teachers that the standard is really good already, so nobody needs to be
worried – but I want to make sure it goes on and that we bring in the best that
we can and therefore attract the best students that we can. We want to make it
the best.
